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ThemeShaper Forums: Forum: Development Talk - Recent Posts Help In Shaping WordPress Themes en Sat, 30 May 2015 20:30:25 +0000 em hr on "What is the future of Thematic?" Thu, 24 May 2012 18:49:23 +0000 em hr 27117@ <p>The future of Thematic is here:</p> <p><br /><br /></p> <p>Please join us over there. </p> em hr on "Current Development & Contributors wanted!" Thu, 24 May 2012 18:46:37 +0000 em hr 27116@ <p>to answer some looming questions.</p> <p>Yes, Thematic theme is up and we will be transitioning to the new domain.</p> <p>Yes, it has gone down in a way that many including myself feel is way less than ideal and that's mostly my responsibility.</p> <p>Yes, Thematic 1.0 is in the theme review process and the links within the theme now point to It can be passed at any time it just needs a few adjustments to meet requirements that we not previously met.</p> <p>If you want to contribute to the project and be a part of the development discussion moving forward please come here:</p> <p><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a></p> <p>Scott, please sign up over there and I'll give you the ability to move your topics forward. You have some great ideas.</p> <p>-Gene </p> sfrangos on "Current Development & Contributors wanted!" Thu, 24 May 2012 00:05:38 +0000 sfrangos 27104@ <p>Hi All -</p> <p>1. The new site is up, and since it was earlier reported on the boards here, I will announce it in this thread: <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> </p> <p>2. Rumor also has it that Ian Stewart has submitted a long overdue upgrade of the parent Thematic Theme Framework to the repository</p> <p>3. As promised earlier in this thread, I have learned to work with Mac based app for SVN work (I am command line impaired), called Versions -- see: <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a></p> <p>* It provides a nice visual interface, and once you get the workflow concepts down things work real well</p> <p>* I will write up a tutorial with screenshots on using it for newbies, at the new site</p> <p>@nimmolo -- sorry your post here went two months with no reply, but I think you can help by downloading and testing Thematic and related child themes. And yes... the community is embracing "mobile stylesheets" with an eye on "responsive design" and CSS3. You will see some threads on that here, and at the new home, I imagine. Also, see this review of a new child theme, base theme that incorporates these concepts: <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a></p> <p>Finally, I again call on the Thematic team to please, please state road map, milestones with dates, and communicate more frequently to the community.</p> <p>Look... it's understandable when things happen and we all go missing from open source projects, but the key is to appoint a willing team that will cover when one member has a conflict and keep communication and messages pumping out to the Thematic community.</p> <p>Here's to 2012 being a great year for the Thematic framework.</p> <p>Cheers -<br /> Scott </p> sfrangos on "What is the future of Thematic?" Tue, 22 May 2012 17:06:58 +0000 sfrangos 27088@ <p>Hellooooooooooooooo -</p> <p>Is there a Lead Programmer around that can tell us what the upgrade philosophy (ie. "responsive" programming for mobile devices), milestones and calendar dates are? Where is everyone?</p> <p>If Gene, Chris, and Ian have abdicated, then I say let's step up as a community and move this project forward.</p> <p>- Scott </p> sfrangos on "What is the future of Thematic?" Mon, 21 May 2012 17:48:09 +0000 sfrangos 27070@ <p>Whoops... for the Project Manager software, that's <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> </p> sfrangos on "What is the future of Thematic?" Mon, 21 May 2012 15:29:45 +0000 sfrangos 27068@ <p>----------------------------------------<br /> LET'S GET STARTED ON AN UPDATE... NOW<br /> ----------------------------------------</p> <p>Hello All -</p> <p>I wanted to take a moment to reply to the excellent outline SixFootJames posted -- 2 months ago -- and to which no-one has stepped up for a reply. The short answer, which I will elaborate on, is that no-one is stepping forward, so in the best spirit of open source... it's up to us.</p> <p>Now, first I will tell you my background. My company Webdirexion LLC (formerly WebFadds), has built commercial child themes with Thematic for around 3 years. We owe a debt of gratitude to the originators (Thanks again Ian and Chris), and loyal supporters who help people here on this board (Gene, Kathy and others), so we also built the site <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> (back from a hack attack) with references, tutorials, and a gallery of themes created with Thematic. This site aims to support the community via training, news, and recognition of both leaders and great child themes. Below, I will state my commitment to a Thematic upgrade. </p> <p>SPECIFIC REPLIES TO SIXFOOTJAMES SUGGESTIONS:</p> <p>1. Decide where the new home of Thematic is going to be. (I see talks of becoming the permanent home, is that finalised?)<br /> --&gt; That was an older suggestion, then Gene had a new idea for a home, but Gene has dropped off the radar. I will donate hosting space, if needed. I suggest we post suggested sites, then vote as a community and move, move MOVE. </p> <p>2. Install open source project management software on that domain.<br /> --&gt; Great. I assume you will help with that James? I will also donate a project manager we use for our company projects if you like -- see: <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a></p> <p>--&gt; The new site can have three basic links on the homepage to get started: Thematic Learning (wiki, tutorials) | Thematic Help &#38; Discussion | Thematic PROJECT (the project manager, SVN, and Milestone Calendar). I will help build this site, if the community wishes. </p> <p>3. Assign someone with strong project management skills to the task of delegation.<br /> --&gt; James? I can also help with communication of same.</p> <p>4. Identify all the issues/tasks we currently have in the online project management tool.<br /> --&gt; Note that there is an SVN repository for the project now, and Ian, Gene, and I believe Chris hold the keys. Let's set up the team, pick the lead programmer and project manager and get going.</p> <p>5. Identify contributors strengths and weaknesses.<br /> --&gt; We have a number here, and I will also bring at least one PHP programmer that has skills better than my own to the project. We CAN do this.</p> <p>6. Assign contributors to these different tasks in order of priority.<br /> --&gt; The more I read how you think about this, James, I would nominate you for project manager. </p> <p>7. Set up milestones for when these tasks will be completed given the amount of resources available<br /> --&gt; I use a paid Project Management software that is excellent for our company projects... <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> I know you said "open source" for same, James, but I am willing to donate a project in this software to get going, keep it on track, and GET IT DONE (can you tell I am anxious too?)</p> <p>COMMITTERS NEEDED:</p> <p>I'm committed, and a number of others are. But I am not a scratch PHP programmer. We need a leader who will commit to 3-6 months work for this. </p> <p>Here is my commitment to the community:</p> <p> * I will help with CSS programming<br /> * I will help facilitate using a screenshare/conference call app I have<br /> * I will continue to write tutorials<br /> * I will publish dates, and help communicate on the boards<br /> * I will bring experienced programmers to also help<br /> * I will continue to publish support tutorials, recognize leaders, and show site examples at <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><br /> * I will help build and host the new Thematic site</p> <p>I look forward to working with you all to make this happen soon.</p> <p>CONSIDER THIS A CALL FOR LEAD PHP PROGRAMMER FOR THEMATIC. If more than one replies, we can vote as a community with guidance from Ian, Chris, and Gene (if they are still interested).</p> <p>Cheers -<br /> Scott </p> helgatheviking on "Running Multiple Wordpress Installs with MAMP locally on Mac" Mon, 16 Apr 2012 01:51:20 +0000 helgatheviking 26357@ <p>you're really kind of asking in the wrong place. this forum is for help with the thematic theme. i've seen several good tuts for setting up WP with XAMPP (which is the same thing but for windows) so try looking for that. </p> robnonstop on "Running Multiple Wordpress Installs with MAMP locally on Mac" Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:20:46 +0000 robnonstop 26354@ <p>Hi, thanks for reading!<br /> I want to regularly edit two (or more) separate Wordpress blogs offline before uploading the changes. MAMP seems the most popular solution for Mac users. But I haven’t found any clear step-by-step instruction for this. Some users here have stated they use MAMP regularly. Do I need MAMP Pro for multiple installs? Has one of you done this?</p> <p>Reading through forums I only find questions on how to do it.</p> <p>If possible, I’d prefer to have the Blog files on a different HD than the Operating System (Snow Leopard), do they have to be placed into the Applications Folder/ MAMP Folder as some people suggest?</p> <p>Thanks a lot for your time!</p> <p>Rob (totally oblivious noob) </p> cannobbio on "Useful tools" Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:18:49 +0000 cannobbio 26298@ <p>Sublime Text 2: <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><br /> With wbond packages: <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> </p> joperron on "Useful tools" Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:17:48 +0000 joperron 26165@ <p>Been using PHPStorm at work, it's awesome.</p> <p><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> </p> kassemEzz on "Useful tools" Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:17:55 +0000 kassemEzz 26078@ <p>I'm currently using Netbeans from Oracle (formarly from Sun).. You can download the PHP version of netbeans which is enough for me. You can add the css preview plugin for it and its a free fully featured php editor. Been using it for years </p> ScottNix on "Possible mods to Thematic" Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:09:33 +0000 ScottNix 25954@ <p>Maybe it is just me, but there are things I end up doing on every single Thematic install.</p> <p>What would be a negative to adding a clearfix code/class to Thematic instead of using the overflow trick for float collapse?</p> <p>I end up always applying a <a href="">clearfix</a> to at least the main div (usually because repeating background). This is most easily done by adding a class with jQuery.</p> <pre><code>// add micro clearfix classes jQuery(&quot;#subsidiary, #main&quot;).addClass(&#39;cf&#39;);</code></pre> <pre><code>/* For modern browsers */ .cf:before, .cf:after { content:&quot;&quot;; display:table; } .cf:after { clear:both; } /* For IE 6/7 (trigger hasLayout) */ .cf { zoom:1; }</code></pre> <p>So the jQuery solution works fine... Although, why can you modify the #wrapper, but not the #header or #main. </p> <p>The wrapper is coded</p> <pre><code>if (apply_filters(&#39;thematic_open_wrapper&#39;, true)) { echo (&#39;&lt;div id=&quot;wrapper&quot; class=&quot;hfeed&quot;&gt;&#39; . &quot;\n&quot;); }</code></pre> <p>And is modifiable like so.</p> <pre><code>function childtheme_open_wrapper() { echo &#39;&lt;div class=&quot;wrap shit&quot;&gt;&#39;; } add_filter (&#39;thematic_open_wrapper&#39;, &#39;childtheme_open_wrapper&#39;);</code></pre> <p>Why can't #header/#main and some of the other hard coded divs be the same as the wrapper? I ask because it might be possible that someone might not want or care about divs clearning floats, I can't really think of a reason... </p> sixfootjames on "What is the future of Thematic?" Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:11:58 +0000 sixfootjames 25908@ <p>Right...if I do this sentence for sentence I seem to get it posted...</p> <p>What I have not seen in these posts, and maybe I missed it, is some kind of project plan to get from A to B. Do we have open source project plan (Agile) software installed somewhere where everyone can collaborate?</p> <p>We then need someone with strong project management skills to identify everyone's strengths and weaknesses so that we can assign them to different tasks in the project management tasks and milestones software.</p> <p>Direct Sponsor to me seems to have given this a lot of thought and would be my natural choice if his strength is project management and if he is up to the task?</p> <p>I'm looking at the Google Code documentation and from a total beginner's point of view it once again looks messy even though I know this is a work in progress. (Perhaps this should only be open to a select few working on the project, else it may cause even more confusion?)</p> <p>My suggestions:</p> <p>1. Decide where the new home of Thematic is going to be. (I see talks of becoming the permanent home, is that finalised?)<br /> 2. Install open source project management software on that domain.<br /> 3. Assign someone with strong project management skills to the task of delegation.<br /> 4. Identify all the issues/tasks we currently have in the online project management tool.<br /> 5. Identify contributors strengths and weaknesses.<br /> 6. Assign contributors to these different tasks in order of priority.<br /> 7. Set up milestones for when these tasks will be completed given the amount of resources available.</p> <p>Again, if I may have overlooked the plan somewhere in these posts forgive me.</p> <p>Cheers,<br /> James</p> <p>(seems some of the links I posted were the culprit in the post) </p> sixfootjames on "What is the future of Thematic?" Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:11:33 +0000 sixfootjames 25907@ <p>Something super wonky is going on with the forums. If I post this, it will send, yet, I have tried top copy and paste out of notepad a response I wrote some time back and every time I have done so, it will not accept the post.</p> <p>Let me see if this post accepts....then I will try again. </p> robYardman on "What is the future of Thematic?" Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:15:08 +0000 robYardman 25889@ <p>Nimolo, I share your frustration. This is sadly the trade off with community driven open source projects. Sometimes they just die. Being a Linux user I've come to accept that and let it be what it is.</p> <p>There are some things progressing with Thematic but I'm not too much on the up-and-up about it. So I'll let the others with better knowledge of it comment.</p> <p>Like you, I love Thematic and will use it as long as I possibly can. </p> nimmolo on "What is the future of Thematic?" Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:20:05 +0000 nimmolo 25829@ <p>I'm glad to read all the recent(-ish) activity here, and I want to say that first of all I appreciate all the unpaid labors of the people who have helped me and others on this forum, as well as the paid labors of Ian Stewart, a very clever fellow. I've learned a lot from Thematic's structure, I've made a few good sites and I've also put a little food on the table with my work in Thematic.</p> <p>Having said that I do not ultimately buy the argument that Thematic development is at a standstill because no one is paid to work on it. Ian Stewart afaik is employed by Wordpress to develop themes all day! The fact that this project can barely get a how-do-you-do from him, even with basic issues on a theme used by 10's of thousands, should have been (to me at least!) an obvious indicator of its dead-letter status. I guess I didn't want to see it. </p> <p>Of course Chris and Gene became exhausted working on it!</p> <p>What I don't understand, other than our very human resistance to changing habits and learning an entirely new framework, is why there hasn't been some sort of a consensus here - or at the very least a few suggestions of good alternatives - about moving to an actively-developed framework where we could all be putting our efforts. It's a full year and 3 months since the latest DEV release of Thematic!!!!!!!!! Not counting subversions.</p> <p>And as I just posted elsewhere, that mysteriously-numbered dev release (is it 9.8 or 9.7.8?), after I oh-so-gingerly installed it, broke my childtheme layout.</p> <p>I like this framework a lot, and Helga the Viking is the most helpful person I've ever encountered in any forum anywhere, but... what are we all smoking here?</p> <p>OTOH, I look forward to at least trying out whatever you guys have been cooking, you're great. But where in all this is the guy who started it, and is paid to do this? How can supporting a very popular theme framework not be a priority for the lead theme developer at Wordpress, when it is after all kinda his claim to fame? </p> nimmolo on "Current Development & Contributors wanted!" Fri, 09 Mar 2012 21:15:22 +0000 nimmolo 25803@ <p>I just want to cheer and offer cups of gatorade. I think I'm waay too newbie to help. </p> <p>If not though, tell me what to do!</p> <p>I have two installations of Thematic, one using a separate mobile stylesheet and a theme-switching plugin, and the other using conditional css and a js homepage redirect. I have no idea if any of that is pertinent, but I did see you guys may be working on mobile stylesheets. </p> Jagst3r15 on "So, Wazzup with Thematic?" Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:19:44 +0000 Jagst3r15 25720@ <p>Just sent you a message, hope I can help with at least a few things :) </p> fwunder on "So, Wazzup with Thematic?" Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:49:26 +0000 fwunder 25714@ <p>Thank you! </p> fwunder on "So, Wazzup with Thematic?" Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:59:20 +0000 fwunder 25712@ <p>I've notice that updates @ <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> have stopped (disappeared). I see that [Ian, et. al.] @ <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> have released _s, which is very cool, but I'm left wondering what's happening with Thematic?</p> <p>BTW, without what I have learned with Thematic and the folks here, _s would seem ridiculously daunting. Now, not so much.</p> <p>So, the question remains...wazzup with Thematic?</p> <p>Thanks! </p> Jagst3r15 on "twitter, who's on it?" Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:46:20 +0000 Jagst3r15 25659@ <p>i'm on it @seamlessthemes - my new freebie theme site, although kinda missing the themes and the site atm :) </p> middlesister on "twitter, who's on it?" Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:14:40 +0000 middlesister 25651@ <p>@_middlesister </p> Jagst3r15 on "Development Idea..." Tue, 21 Feb 2012 15:51:29 +0000 Jagst3r15 25524@ <p>We accept community donations and hire a freelance developer to bust out some modifications so we can revamp Thematic and make it dominant once again (I see that it used to be downloaded thousands of times a month, etc.). I would be willing to donate and I have seen this work for open source projects before. I think we would need the developer to add a few page templates, update it to HTML 5 and make general improvements so it is up to WordPress standards.</p> <p>Any thoughts on this? I would rather devote my energies to Thematic then move to a paid framework (YUCK!). </p> fwunder on "Current Development & Contributors wanted!" Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:29:36 +0000 fwunder 25397@ <p>I don't have the skills you folks do, but I don't mind test driving. I did just check out (svn checkout <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> thematic-read-only) what I guess is the latest. If so, it feels considerably "snappier" and the upgrade was painless.</p> <p>With caching via WP Super Cache ==&gt; <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><br /> Without caching ==&gt; <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a></p> <p>Anything I can do to help, I will. I got my horse hooked up to this wagon! ;) </p> sfrangos on "Current Development & Contributors wanted!" Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:53:35 +0000 sfrangos 25380@ <p>Hi all -</p> <p>Great energy here... big thanks! I have purchased "versions" (a Mac GUI SVN helper app) and scheduled work with it within the next week. Then I will write a tutorial for Mac jockeys and try also to generalize a bit for newbies to SVN, but who want to help out. Most know I am not a scratch PHP coder, so I will look for ways that people like me can help and then write about that so others can follow. </p> <p>@Gene - sounds like you have a number of things in motion (thanks). Sounds wise to make this upgrade focus on basics and security while we get the rest of our house in order. Offer to facilitate a meeting (conference call, screenshare, etc.) stands. For the next step on the RoadMap (after we finish the current release) it will be good to step back and consider what the WP core upgrades over the past year bring in terms of development opportunities and to factor in the changing device paradigms (tablets and mobile). One example could be a new stylesheet or two focused on Mobile. Earlier there was a call for help with new sheets, but if I hear you right we are holding off until the next version?</p> <p>@Kathy - great, thorough checklist. Thanks also for patience as I come up to speed with the SVN thing. I'll see you there over the next 2-4 weeks.</p> <p>@Gene, Kathy Chris -- any recommendations for SVN newbies are appreciated... want to focus on items that can really help and not slow anyone down, so a few pointers from when you were new (remember those days?) will help a lot. Recommendations?</p> <p>Cheers -<br /> Scott </p> Dominor Novus on "What is the future of Thematic?" Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:26:48 +0000 Dominor Novus 25324@ <p>Glad to see the minds at Thematic are pioneering and correctly forecasting the trends for WordPress:</p> <p><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a></p> <blockquote><p> THE DEMISE OF THE WORDPRESS PREMIUM THEME MARKET</p> <p>At the start of 2008, when creating a premium WordPress theme was frowned upon, Ian Stewart wrote this in a post:</p> <p>It’s prediction time: The premium WordPress theme phenomenon has approximately one year left before collapsing entirely, leaving a rather large hole between completely free WordPress themes and custom themes $1500 and up. If you’ve got a “premium” WordPress theme waiting in the wings, I advise releasing it sooner rather than later. As in, now. </p></blockquote> middlesister on "Make Thematic use HTML5 with a plugin" Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:54:48 +0000 middlesister 25298@ <p>At some point, Thematic will need to move to HTML5. We do not know exactly when this will be. There have been articles written on the interwebs (such as <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> and<br /> <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a>) as well as posts in the forum explaining some filters to use so we already now can start using the new shiny toys of the future.</p> <p>I had the idea to gather together some of the needed filters into a plugin. </p> <p>The idea is that the plugin would simply convert the markup into using the new html5 elements where applicable. Nothing fancy, styling and polyfills for older IE would be up to the child theme.</p> <p>The humble beginnings of this plugin can be found at <a href="" rel="nofollow"></a> Download the zip, rename the folder to "thematic-html5" and put it in your plugins directory. Simply activate the plugin and add</p> <pre><code>add_theme_support(&#39;thematic-html5&#39;);</code></pre> <p>to your child theme's functions.php file. Or fork me on github and join in!</p> <p>All it does now is:<br /> - change the doctype and meta charset tags<br /> - change the posts to use article instead of div in all the loops<br /> - change the navigation menu, nav-above and nav-below to the nav element<br /> - change the asides to the aside element, with every widget in a section element and the widgettitles using h1 headings<br /> - childtheme_override_* functions will still override the plugin so child themers are in control </p> <p>Plans for next steps:<br /> - make an option to use the boilerplate doctype for those who wants (or should it be default?)<br /> - move/change post title and entry-meta to header elements and entry-utility to footer elements<br /> - filter the search form and comment forms to use html5 form elements</p> <p>It's more of a proof of concept yet, really. I have worked with the latest svn version of Thematic (r835 as of writing), and it is untested with older versions. I wanted to see how far I could get, and also see if there is an interest from the community for this. Feedback and suggestions are most welcome. </p> em hr on "What is the future of Thematic?" Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:18:50 +0000 em hr 25248@ <p>Hi Kirk,</p> <p>Sorry for not responding to you regarding earlier. Thematic will be moving to a new domain. When it is launched you could point .info over there.</p> <p>Also we could use the help if you're able to contribute in other ways. </p> <p>If you're still using Thematic or interested in shaping the future of it, your voice is welcome. Thematic will be submitting to theme review soon and an extra set of eyes on the latest svn branch is always welcome. The google code site is there for reporting bugs including ones involving guideline compliance.</p> <p>Thanks - Gene </p> NewFever on "Useful tools" Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:21:13 +0000 NewFever 25068@ <p>Another very usefull tool I recently discoverd for testing on mutiple-browsers...</p> <p><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a></p> <p>(Requires an Adobe ID) </p> helgatheviking on "Theme Development Checklist - Volunteers Needed!" Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:58:02 +0000 helgatheviking 25047@ <p>super powers!! yay! neither strikethrough nor input are allowed markup though so i can only write an OK next to things that are fixed. </p>